Be the one who is loving and kind in the midst of sorrow, showing us that you trust Jesus to bring something beautiful out of this pain. Really? @ Davis and Natasha: That is common respect for other people. Timing is interesting. And sadly most victims spend YEARS time trying to answer the question why they were targeted. What would you have suggested she tell her husband? Gossip! The church is now thriving with new leadership, honoring Jesus instead of greedy indiscrete nepotism. No one, from the janitor to the CEO, can be deemed off limits to the moral and ethical demands of respect, decency and appropriate behavior. .just a minor point of information. @ truthseeker00: Ok, gotcha. I do not believe Jesus would have ever behaved the way you and John are acting. READ MORE: Brian Scotto Net Worth Books Some of his published books are: The Power of a Whisper: Hearing God, Having the Guts to Respond; Too Busy Not to Pray: Slowing down to Be with God; Simplify: Ten Practices to Unclutter Your Soul; The Spirit works, sometimes over decades, with friends and acquaintances. It was alleged in an article of 'Chicago Tribune.' Further, the Chicago Tribune and Christianity Today too reported allegations about his misconduct. Yes, it should be mentioned. If theyve discontinued publishing/reprinting his works, they did so without any public notice that Im aware of, and wouldve taken them well over a year. On the surface, an extended hug may seem harmless, even though deep down it creeps you out a little. Is faith journey a synonym for sanctification? I asked my mom once why she endured physical abuse so long from my father, and she gave me similar answers. Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. I wonder if churches have convinced themselves of the same. I have long been leery of Hybels (and other mega church pastors) because these guys are basically Christian rock stars and are treated accordingly. predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. I dont think Jesus sees things the same way they do. * It is about power and control and until people in churches get this, they will be waaaaay behind the culture. Like the invitation sent out to for the Family Meetings, and the actual meetings themselves. Like the real estate/mortgage broker years ago who the day before the search warrant came down, backed up an industrial shredder van to their office for an all-day shred-everything party. She is the co-founder of Willow Creek Community Church, and wife to Bill Hybels the founder and former senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church. If it is seeing a good friend after a long time, a family member, etc, understandable. There is a reason that statute of limitations are being revised throughout the country. I understand the victim mentality, I have been a victim, but his repentance has little to do with the womens healing. This is a well worn story, insert Pastor name here, insert church name here. Salvation: in the ned this in the hands of the One with the higher Pay Grade. Used their positions of power to gain access to women who had big dreams They were powerful, influentual, respected leaders. An accusation could hurt the church, the members and even Christianity. Position? Kids will tell you straight up, but I kind of treat them like stray cats and let them come to me! It is clear to me that God did not want this hidden any longer. Other tricks of such manipulators include drawing others into guilt-causing behavior, for instance using swear words casually or tossing around jokes about blow jobs. We must judge actions and , if they are wrong, we must pass judgement on them, even if it is one of our beloved leaders. Might I suggest this might more accurately say that sexual predation is not always based on wanting to have sex? Think of the reaction if this had gone to the media and by passed the elders. It isnt even that hard. And if it gets really bad the staunch hybels factions may end up being ousted. Still he says, Willow Creek should be able to survive, even if the allegations against Bill Hybels are true. (1) Discovery of 1,150 emails between Bill and the woman over the previous two years. If WC folds, its a clear indication. Together, they have two children, a son by the name of Todd Hybels and a daughter Shauna Niequist. Yep. But it is the structure, really. Christ truely cared about the underdog, and did not like religious leaders that abused their positions. I do. This morning, Nancy Ortberg posted Flawed Process, Wounded Women on her website. The church Elders allowed Bill to stay in an unsupervised counseling relationship with her, while neither her husband nor Bills wife was made aware of the situation. I see this is a crucial issue, and I appreciate that Dee has put it forward for consideration in abuse survivor communities. @ Davis and Natasha: No quid pro quo to substantiate. Unless, of course, its useful as an excuse It often makes for very lively and interesting discussions. I have already commented on that nonsense that just went up. So sad. I know this sounds harsh but its notbecause I am guilty, too. So, yes, Id vouch for his legitimacy. They were not allowed to have free and open churches-the ones that were open were beholden to the government. Ortberg actually does have a chance to step up and be the bigger man here. He then shared unfiltered thoughts about me, describing in great detail specific parts of my body he liked, and said he thought I was effusive, sexy and had great candor, mentioned what a promising leader I was, and he said. Some will sadly never make the decision to follow Christ. The only thing you can blame other people for is making his deception known. WC is Hybels no matter how much they protest. They need to do some reading. Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. They did, however, write books, and traveled from local church to local church. Narcissistic, abusive leaders are masterful manipulators, and even the most intelligent, cynical, questioning people can be taken under their spell without knowing it has happened. My bad for not being back in touch with you. Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Lather, Rinse, Repeat, Pingback: Some Thoughts on Supposedly Feminist Men Who Reportedly Abuse/Harass Women | futuristguy. . Did her husband ask her not to say anything for FEAR of losing his job? This is centralized and IT probably has a means if necessary of reading the email (though it probably requires fairly high level authorization). I am terribly concerned that there is game playing going on here by people who cannot accept that Bill Hybels has resigned and he did so believe there are problems that people cannot accept. This reminds me of Bob Packwood, a former senator from my state. havent forgotten. I tried to say disciplining. Note how often those being accused are the old dogs, gone or soon to be gone from the public eye anyway. But what does that have to do with her testimony? Its not great for innovation. They are fighting for Hybels. In 2018, sexual misconduct allegations had been alleged against Bill Hybels. I am one of His people. I only hugged a co-worker once. I think there can be a benefit when many people have a genuine need for human touch. Even the word Unity really means conformity. @ dee: Dear TWW readers, I am in Australia so I comment and tweet and post things on FB when you are asleep if you are in the USA. Statement removes all doubt, in my opinion, regarding serious sexual sin and leadership issues at Willow Creek Community Church as it comes to Bill Hybels. I have said that I do not appreciate victim denigration which is inherent in her supposed expos .Enough is enough. Thanks for sharing the link. Ephesians 4:2. Shameful! My former abusive, cultish and abuser-friendly church was positively obsessed with unity. The pastor preached on it continually. Fascinating. And my guess is the elders dont know either. The scripture I quoted was word for word out of the bible. Many self/proclaimed Christians dont. . Gregory of Nyssa was about as Orthodox as one can get, and yet he was also about as universalist as one can get. What I am remembering, and what troubled me then, is how these well-meaning people fell under the Willow Creek spell, and how their little, creaky, boring churches could not compete with the new mega entertainment center. I get it bothers you. I hope you are right about this. We were in each others homes all the time. Ok, So Nancy Ortberg was fondled, hugged, touched. Ambien made me do it (Bill Hybels) 1 kiss is lynne hybels still married to bill. Make an Example of one, and a hundred will fall right into line, bleating praises. Good night!!! Abuse works on the good-hearted the ones who are trying to give others the benefit of the doubt, questioning their own discernment, seeking to extend charity. Some will sadly never make the decision to follow Christ. They have much easier prey in a church setting, as the sheep expect the shepherds to be godly, trustworthy and above such things as looking to get laid. I want to make sure I understand you. When this discovery of improper behavior was taken to the senior pastor he aparrently refused to listen. When you read it, I think you might as well. You expect typical bad rock star behavior, more likely, because thats the norm. Most Pew sitters wont have a clue its going on but the staff is definitely affected. of Poor Poor Innocent Victim of Wicked Stepmother, then hit the detonator (after those several years of setting the charges) at his own wedding, when he invited her (and the rest of the family). @ Davis and Natasha: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkOke2noyc Just listening to Hybels extol the leadership virtues of Heather Lawson (another blonde) was enough to make me wonder, Is anyone else hearing and seeing this? His own wife (Lynne) is very different from the women Hybels mentored. And I never understood why Hybels did not step down when his wife (Lynne) had a HUGE crisis of faith. Not out of God directly pushing the SMITE button, but that Davids actions set chains of events in action that later came around to bite back HARD. Look up who are semitic people. Are Lynn and Bill Hybels still married? They wouldnt have been good enough speakers. predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. I do not believe we can judge what is in the heart of people. I suspect (although I dont know for sure) that a hug creates a higher dose of oxytocin. Maybe they even went to the Wailing Wall and performed that satanic ritual and maybe were forever changed and lost. Yet, the faith grew in the midst of these awful circumstances. he is still a . Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. If he is sincere about his reasons for retiring early, make a very public statement for people to knock it off and let him go away quietly. It just did not need to be a science or a manufactured event. Im particularly disgusted by They said they could look him in the eye and discern if he was telling the truth.. What they are doing is exactly what someone who has been there would expect them to do. Pam Orr and the previous elder (who was on the board as an HR consultant, today he is a Pastor at a Willow Satellite church) should RESIGN 1st. He never fails you. You are guilty of judging, something you say we are not to do. Ok. Lynne Hybelsis the wife of Bill Hybels-renowned founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in Illinois, This year in 2018, Billhas been publicly accused of sexual harassment and h e has resigned from the megachurch he and Lynnefounded, In the last few months as this media storm has rained down confusion and grief on those at the We have a problem with people who now want to pile on the growing number of women who are coming forward with similar stories. He wanted to find out if she was still angry with him and what she would do about it if she was. If you cant trust your pastor who can you trust? Keeping this in the forefront of out thoughts should help us from becoming disappointed when another pastor is caught. Some will sadly never make the decision to follow Christ. A cheap way to expand. I leave all matters of *who is and who is not a real Christian* In the capable hands of the One who has a higher pay grade. @ Law Prof: For many years, they were THE place when on job hunt. I scream enough already. None of the first seven ecumenical councils dealt with this topic, which pretty much means that the line of heresy was never defined. Since there's been no follow-up on their proposed Sunday morning mention of Hybels, it's safe to assume that multiple sources have told them that they made a grievous error to even suggest such a disgusting gesture. Very sad. Why would a woman follow the same God that her husband says excuses adultery? The Eleven and Jesus followers went on to be faithful in following their Lord in establishing the Church by the power of the Holy Spirit. I never saw a cross hanging in Willow nor heard a pastor speak out against gay marriage, women pastors or the slaughter of the Palestinians, etc . Just wondering if theres a way to make it easier to keep up. The founding couple died, and the board got rid of those naughty kids and grandkids. He told me he had taken Ambien. If you want to highlight, in every comment, this is not your blog. Messy as it might be, this is better I think. They sounded clearly clueless about the price and pain that Hybels' behavior inflicted on his victims. Just wondering??? Jan 13, 2018. The Devil is destroying yet another church. I know this because I have experienced it myself. But one thing I know, we have a choice in our behaviors. In the seeker world, it tends to mean numbers, programs, etc. Yep and the email deal reminds me of someone else. 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