Only having 49k is little. Proceed to stomp the Ottomans, and get them to return all Byzantine cores. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Europa Universalis IV by Paradox Development Studio. If you gather your army in many small stacks consisting of 30k each and slowly but steadily march your way to Constantinople, Ottos will likely do the same. After the war ends they will quickly self- destruct through rebellions and other nations invading. Once you declared war on Tunis, expand Fezzan in the desert itself and take the powerful coastal provinces for yourself. Screenshots would be helpful, or at the bare minimum a list of your and the Ottomans' alliances, with some rough idea of their strength and position. Although its tricky to avoid, its possible to increase your chances to keep Fezzan alive long enough to let it fall into your sphere of influence. with Castille/Aragon/England or smth. Its a lengthy process for sure, but use the guide as a reference point to guide yourself through the ages. However, always have an army ready in case you need it for war. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). The Ottomans are at such a crossroads of trade routes that good trade can make them very very wealthy. Allies are arguably the most important point. Call if Uzbek if you need the help. I easily beat them, even stack wiping them sometimes. Their military modifiers will be much weaker in the late game usually. So keep picking at small stacks. Get them to a high war exhaustion and then white peace them. Stack up on military ideas and policies (for example quality + religious gives extra morale and siege ability) so despite my lower army size they are vastly superior in quality. Those penalties are insignificant compared to being able to remove them quickly. needs you to core Rome, Moscow, and Istanbul. It's the transport ships that give me headache. If Medina still exists, you can likely vassalize them to speed up your conquest. Once youve taken the east coast of Arabia, you can complete the mission to. It's expensive, and it hurts, but you can absolutely kill them that way. Hungary, Austria, Poland) for free. Prussian troops stackwipe Ottos easy in the 1600s. Most states are weak, meaning you can diplomatically conquer most of them.. Once youve taken the east coast of Arabia, you can complete the mission toConquer Al-Ahsa. After you dealt with the Mamluks, youre the only Great Power left in Arabia. You wouldn't have much issue at all. For example, in my Italy game I was fighting the Ottomans and their 200k soldiers with only 80k in the 1570's(no allies cause I just didn't stop eating). We also established footholds in Persia, Egypt, Libya, and the Caucasus, which we can use to expand further. The rest of Europe was functionally cowed because after the first war I could just keep fighting them over and over and over again without them putting up a huge response. The decision makes your country more stable and lets you easily convert all your lands to Sunni if you didnt take humanist ideas before or are really into that. The earlier you consolidate around here, the better it is for you. Keep a continuous Spy network on Tunis to expand faster towards the Atlantic coast. Once youve successfully taken Samarkand, the one area you still need for the Caliphate is Thatta, in India. Although they may be weak, theyre sitting on at least one province we need to restore the Caliphate Cordoba- and they may have taken Sicily, where we need two provinces: Palermo and Messina. Find the first and second installments of this guide here: Since this Ottomans EU4 guide is so RNG-heavy, youll likely be running into situations that dont play out as planned. I'm around the same size as the Ottomans now, but their total units are 173k compared to my 49k. Gotta love EU4 logic. Currently Spain. This is typically when other great powers take their opportunity to declare war on the ottomans so they end up fighting 3 wars at once. The way EU IV is designed, if you want to play optimally then you should use the minimum sized stacks needed to siege provinces, split your navy in order to cycle them against strong naval opponents and generally minimise the losses due to attrition. Move your army in position and declare war to retake a Transylvanian core like Hunyad. Works better if you have a fleet to block the straight, e.g. Like my Burgundian Conquest run, where I was super rich and powerful, but my nation was not much bigger than France is at the start. Its useful for you to grab important Caucasus provinces early. They are Sunni with the Shafi'i school and have the unique Mamluk government. This war can be tricky, so it can be useful to curry favors with important allies that can distract the Spanish, like France, Russia, Britain, or even Bohemia, Scandinavia, or Naples. I just needed to buy enough time to take Tunis/Crete out of the equation. Avoid the war goal on purpose, occupy Constantinople + Turkish provinces only. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Welcome to the third and final part of this Ottomans guide for EU4: The Ottomans made easy! With everyone on different sides, and AI sucks at doing multi front wars, Ottoman will usually go for one country instead of everyone at once, allowing the rests of the nations to siege freely. The better player you are, the more attention you pay to all of this aspects. You have expanded into what is fairly worthless, empty, lands on the steppes, whereas the Ottomans have most likely expanded into the rich cities of Anatolia and Egypt. Rinse and repeat to make them a non-factor eventually. I took most of the Levant, snaked my way to Medina, got some more land in the Nile Delta, and cleaned up my African borders. I'd suggest playing more aggressive in your conquests, or try to botch them early on because that always works best. Slowly head towards Samarkand by expanding Ajam. The Mamluks sit on the main trade nodes directing trade from India and China to Europe. Well I just got out of a disasterous war with the Ottomans. Set them as a nation of interest and pay close attention to their wars. What (military) ideas do you have? Ottomans should get . As any war would just be you and them vs the Ottoman. I'd probably invade Ottomans when they're busy fighting multiple wars and you might even be lucky enough for separatists to break off small chunks of their empire. The Ottoman troops are better than European troops for a large part of the game because of their bonuses, and the fact that they have increased pips. After finishing up Sicily and Morocco, you can cross the Strait of Gibraltar and siege Spain itself. Works better if you have a fleet to block the straight, e.g. If they also lag in mil tech you've got 'em on the ropes. I am playing as Venice , Ironman, Beta 1.13 . Normally it's about 100-120k? Once call for peace is sounded, you should peace out after a few months as it quickly becomes too expensive in dip to maintain. From your base in Morocco and Spain, it shouldnt be hard for you to break your alliance with France and declare war on them. You can also take some cash from these extremely wealthy merchant republics. Take all the provinces you need for the Caliphate to finally realize the unification of Islam. Personally, to me all of this necessary micro is the worse aspect of the game and what drives me away from it the most. Your vassal may have some cores left in my case, Makuria had a core on Dongola, so use that and declare war. These vassals make up your siege troops. They're frankly not nearly as difficult to beat as commentary on this sub would have you believe. However, the coastal areas are likely up for grabs. Watch if you can either go around it by declaring war on an ally, vassalizing the state instead, or ask it kindly to break its alliance using the Great Power status. Meanwhile, declare war on the Mamluks to take Palestine, Transjordan, and start expanding into Arabia. Press J to jump to the feed. Early game there's always the classic no-CB DOW Byzantium strategy, which screws kebab over pretty hard. If you have questions do please leave them below and I will answer any and all that I'm able to! THIS CAMPAIGN IS BEST VIEWED THROUGH THE PLAYLIST! Your situation might differ from mine, but I had to deal with a massive Timurids that united all of Persia. Save up some of the power to reverse the stability effects and war exhaustion and just keep hitting them. Always check whether someone is willingly letting itself be annexed by you. Congratulations! They just can't grow to the same extent if they don't have Constantinople. Quite manageable. However, you might have other priorities, and Tunis gains wiggle room. Early game there's always the classic no-CB DOW Byzantium strategy. I still had Ajam as a vassal, which gets cores on much of Iran. I just don't find it fun to always split my armies, siege a lot of provinces and then consolidate my forces. If you need a repeatable method, dont annex Morocco after youre done. When youre annexing a vassal, see if you can concentrate land. How else am I supposed to stop them if I can't use military force? Youll also get an achievement to show off how great youve become at EU4: theDar al-Islam. Didn't require too much manpower to take them out. Can you afford mercs? I control most of Northern Africa and Central Europe. Depending on how large the Mamluks are, you can finish them off before 1600. Im playing an Ottomans game right now (going for the Dar al-Islam achievement) and its very easy to get an absolutely insane army force limit by doing just two things: reaching the end of their national ideas, which gives +50% army force limit, and also by reaching the end of the Quantity Idea Group, which I believe also doubles your force limit. Aside from sealing off the Black Sea and connecting your territories, theres mostly no need for you to conquer anything north of the Caucasus mountains. Make sure to take the cities ofAdenandMasqatas soon as you can, since you need them to restore the Caliphate. You can check the Ottoman's development and your own in the ledger, but a rough estimate based on experience and the dates you provided would put you at about ~500 development and the Ottomans at ~1000. However, fabricate claims on Palermo and Messina to make it a lot cheaper, should you need more land. Are the Mamluks still around? The Great Horde is a great nation to do this with. Really, it's all about planning your idea groups to maximize the quality of your army. It's actually significantly easier to take the Ottomans down the later you go. From your base in Morocco and Spain, it shouldnt be hard for you to break your alliance with France and declare war on them. Make sure to at least take Pest for theBibliotheca Corvinanagreat project. Use them to take a lot of land for cheap, and use Russia to distract the Timurids in the north. form italy (maybe with milan first cause of the sweet ideias), go quantity offensive defensive. You must log in or register to reply here. A no CB to vassalize Byzantium, followed by a straightforward war with ottomans to reclaim Byzantium cores is a popular move. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The goal is that even when they move their capital into anatolia, they will not have direct land connections to their overseas provinces (hello 75% autonomy), and they won't be able to move across the strait over land without getting mil access from you. We need at least one province deep Persian territory . Depending on how large the Mamluks are, you can finish them off before 1600. But the amount of micro is through the roof. Once they do, you attack. How do you trigger Byzantium being formed? Spain will be the toughest nut youll have to crack in this entire campaign and kind of the final boss of this EU4 Ottomans guide. If Warscore is left make them pay war reperations (remember that you also get 10% from every loan they take, so rebuilding is a bit harder for them) and release countries. I took most of the Levant, snaked my way to Medina, got some more land in the Nile Delta, and cleaned up my African borders. I was just bribed to stop being corrupt. JavaScript is disabled. Istanbul isnt the problem (obviously), and Rome should be easy takings with your dominance in the Mediterranean. Techs that give tactics are also a nice advantage, but not as big of an advantage as morale. At this point, the war is won. You can assign far-flung territories to trade companies to help you bring in some extra ducats. Keep some stacks in Europe and the Middle-East, to combat any Spanish troops should they decide to do a naval invasion. This campaign in EU4 is designed around a slower playstyle by myself, Chewy, and doing my best to explain the. High debt and high war exhaustion means rebels which means even more trouble for them. Is there a way to actually defeat the Ottomans? as soon as you can, since you need them to restore the Caliphate. Make sure you are stable both in terms of unrest and economy and move your armies to Morocco. They will then continually build more troops there for you to destroy. Let's play Europa Universalis IV (EU4) as the Ottomans! This selection contains highly anticipated releases, sequels, ports and some f We're in the home stretch! You wont gain cores on them, but. Dont even consider fighting the Ottomans if you arent allied to several strong nations like Austria, Russia or the Mamluks. In this area, you may want to expand recklessly to the point that it nearly breaks your nation. One of the biggest flaws for the Ottos is that they're very spread out across three continents (most of the time) meaning they are pretty prone to splitting their forces. It was something like 250/month ,but thanks to owning both North and South America I had huge treasury plus huge monthly income so it was no big deal. Everybody will then gang up on them afterwards, leading to a downward spiral. The country is mountainous and can be tricky to conquer or divert resources to, especially if you need them against Spain. I decided to take Crete as well, but not yet more of Dalmatia. The AI is really pretty terrible, even a mediocre player shouldn't have that much trouble beating them. I strongly recommend keeping Oman around as a vassal for the time being theres a good chance theyll be the last nation to host the Hanbali school of thought. Numbers don't mean a whole lot when you can't fight quality+co and offensive for a +15% discipline is good (discipline boost tactics too, so its very good). Purchase some mercenaries in Benghazi and siege down at least one of Fezzans provinces, like Sirt. i play a lot vs ottomans playing as hungary, which is weaker than poland/plc, but very similar. The Ottomans are in a precarious position because they need to essentially control two land masses that are not easily accessible. To fully take advantage of their situation, you should wait until they are engaged in a war. Valve Corporation. Late game - wait until their troop strength falls below western strength. This will save you from a continuous threat in the north and allows you to concentrate against more direct enemies, like the Timurids, Austria, and Spain. I wasn't attacked even once during my sieges and once I scored 100% I liberated some countries and absorbed enough provinces to get me to around 100% over extension. I knew espionage as last idea group and I figured it wasn't worth it, but wanted to try it anyway for fun. It's best to strike if they are already in a war. Keep attacking them as soon as that truce is up. If you don't have all the DLCs, make sure to at least get the Cradle of Civilization DLC. If you get really lucky, others will follow your lead and you can get a huge dogpile going. To add on to this: Another good time to strike would be right after an important military tech, especially if you can grab it a few years ahead of time. Best time to hit them is in the first 50 years of the game, and the last 100 years of the game. Press J to jump to the feed. I'm thinking No CB on Byzantium on day 1 -> vassalization of Byzantium -> Get PLC as an ally -> return all Byzantine cores is the most viable option now since otherwise their endless manpower just annihilates anything in their path midgame. Most nations will want to be your vassal; conquer the remainder. Take the tribal kingdom to the south as your vassal. You can also try bringing other people in on your war. Then declare (3-4 months later) and invade the opposite front. Poland/Lithuania, Russia, France, Austria, can be very useful if you gang up on the The Ottomans. Make the war goal something I can take and defend easily; the goal is not to defeat them utterly as they have ridiculous numbers to be able to siege them out completely at first. They guarantee the independence of Medina and Cyprus while Hejaz and Fadl are their vassals. . Just getting all of the arriving divisions to the front by rail is enough, not to mention everything else. Tbh, quality troops will usually win wars against the Ottomans. Congratulations on restoring the Caliphate! Just take as much provinces as you can. Take forts. I recommend annexing any vassal that has no more foreign cores you can take. Europa Universalis 4 (EU4) Guide: Ottomans Made Easy Early Game, Europa Universalis 4 (EU4) Guide: Ottomans Made Easy Mid Game, 10 Europa Universalis 4 Beginner Tips for Empire Building, 9 Handy Europa Universalis 4 Cheats to Activate, Battle Crush: The New Multiplayer Battle Brawler by NCSOFT Set to Release in Late 2023, Remorse: The List 10 Xbox Keys Giveaway, 10 Games Releasing In March To Look Out For. You basically become unstoppable if you avoid unfavourable offensive terrain battles. Who are their rivals? This is part 3 of the Ottomans made easy EU4 guide. They started taking ex-moldavia area and are now beating up Venice, I get what you mean, their base from the provinces is 107 while mine is just 38 :(. Over the years, hes developed a similar passion for writing, which he mostly gains during his studies. Doesn't always work but it's a solution if you don't want to start a war right away. EUIV: AAR's, Let's Plays, and Fan Fiction, EU IV: Alternate History Short Story Contest Contr. Genoa and Venice still hold on to some of our rightful territories. East Africa is a great target. However, history wont stop us! I never take military idea groups, and I've still managed to take all of their provinces in campaign after campaign. If they engage you in a bad position, forfeit the battle to prevent a stack wipe. When dealing with a large nation, core conquest is a very viable tactic. When dealing with a large nation, core conquest is a very viable tactic. With everyone on different sides, and AI sucks at doing multi front wars, Ottoman will usually go for one country instead of everyone at once, allowing the rests of the nations to siege freely. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Europa Universalis IV by Paradox Development Studio. Good allies can be helpful to overwhelm them. The intent is for you to play along and improve your skills and understanding of the game, and have fun all the while! And dont forget to fabricate a claim, of course. . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. They hit a mid game power peak typically that's hard to beat, this is not the best time to try fighting them. Upgrade your centers of trade to turn Constantinople into a powerful trade node while developing your centers of trade. Anyone who dislikes Spain is your friend, in this case. This area is very wealthy and contains the Islamic Holy cities of Mekka and Medina. How to beat Ottomans as Poland It is 1505, I annexed Danzig, Mazovia, Lithuania as a junior partner, and Austrians as my allies. , that you get when youve conquered the southern coast of the Arabian Peninsula. Then, take 100% worth of war score demands on top of those rebel enforcements, including annulling their treaties. Make sure you get enough ships. Total is plus 83%. If you also have to fight your next target only take cash for shorter truce. Getting the war goal and war score to go up, gives the chance for a good peace deal which makes them weaker and every following war with them easier. Whereas we matched the historical Ottoman sultans in previous episodes, well one-up them in this one! So, feel free to jump around in this guide to have it suit your campaign. Simply take some Spanish lands and repeat after the truce timer runs out. Privacy Policy. So their tech 12 infantry are the same pips as western tech 15, giving you parity, until tech 19 when you can edge ahead. 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