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Study 6: Leibovici (Rabin Medical Center, Israel); Retroactive Prayer Now let's move on to the final study cited by Dossey as an "amazing example." This is a study by Dr. Leonard Leibovici of the Rabin Medical Center in Israel, appearing in the British Medical Journal in December 2001. J.)Pl-m6$/0SBj-^q:N`1KHc=! 1a"GIA8,UqATMR,+E2IF$=n9u+>PZ/+>[email protected]`[t$F`8HY0fC.-:NL>\ l]qJ\4$o(I!CeA&X'.7H5'U,'k^95qnX (i%g0j24+YZp:Q5$MuEc[mNHNQ"S+`MqGFF/rZZ;,ot]MGWM7"-N? @rcL*+E2IF$=n9u+>Gf5+>78:B6%Qp+E2IF$=n9u +? 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