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Miles Davis live at Birdland or something. Ron Padgett. Logic sees cities destroyed as poems are stolen; a bloodied performer attempts to win over a non-existent audience in Perhaps Not for You. 80AN: Probably, I wouldnt dance, but Anne might. At the same moment, at Saint Marks, Bernadette Mayer, Anne Waldman, and I taught poetry workshops. At the same moment, at Saint Marks, Bernadette Mayer, Anne Waldman, and I taught poetry workshops. 7Alice Notley: Im from the desert which I found intensely attractive as nature, and its my nature reallyI havent been back in six years but I love that nature. AN: Well I grew up in the Southwest. Whys not valid here. There were various famous people now that were in it like Susie Timmons. He came around when something bad happened to us. DR: Thats what Ted Berrigan was about: taking things from here and there, picking them up, and making them his own. I would like some help. Whereupon, she just totally melted. Its not around me much now. Logic 40AN: Well, I broke it. always reinventing my practice, discovering what I believe is true and Courtesy of Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim, April 2018. You know Newman makes these large, abstract works. There werent a lot of cacti where I lived, but there were a lot of bushes. I started noticing my dreams before I met Ted [Berrigan], but he used his dreams, and I just started doing it more after I was with him; then, after he died I did it even more. It always felt to me like I was enacting ideas that visual artists had normally, that I was figuring it out. Alice Notleys poetry has evolved through many phases and experiments, as her output continues to be strong, and is increasingly studied academically. She made one change when she worked for James Schuyler, and she adopted a version of his short line, though after that theres little change, except a few years ago, when she started putting in spaces between thoughts: in a new way she created some disjunction she had never had before. There was one called How Green Was My Hair Brush? which was a Ron title. NOTLEY, Alice. At a certain point I wrote them down every morning; sometimes I do it more than others. 67My poem The Prophet (1981) is based on his poem Some General Instructions (1971). Alls well.. DR: The conversation has veered far from Needles, which I hope we will return to, as we evoke various social spaces that seep into the poems. The circle of younger poets who spent time with Notley and Berrigan included the aforementioned members of the Yellow Press team, Barbara Barg, Rochelle Kraut, Rose Lesniak, Bob Rosenthal, Steve Levine, Simon Schuchat, Tim Milk, and several others. Im closely influenced by them, and working with Apollinaire at the moment. But I met himI met everybodyaround 1968. Why hurry them along? 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At the moment, it feels like theres not much going on there; because its all going on at the surface actually. Raw language is the final material we have; it is only by shaping and reshaping it that we can hope to rebuild our world. I picked ten poems at random to see how dispersed they were based on my working theory that they had a wide geographical scope. ButI forget. The conjunctions are the most mysterious places in Johns work. I had met him in 1969, then we stayed friends. Her mother was Polish and her father Irish. In fact he taught the same undergraduate classes for years and years, refusing to teach graduate students becausehe saidthey couldnt learn anything, were already set in their ways. (1976). AN: You dont have to breathe between them. 21AN: She lost her father younger than Ted lost his. In 1999, Notley was both a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize and a winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Prize for Poetry. Anne Waldman says that one thing she learned at that point was that the Hindus say carry your enemy on your shoulder. Thats a counter-intuitive idea. If we compare them with painting, they work like the zips in Newmans painting. The Descent of Alette is a 1992 book length poem by the American poet Alice Notley. The poetry community in Bolinas was particularly strong at the time, withJoanne Kyger,Philip Whalen,Bill Berkson,Robert Creeley, and Bobbie Louise Hawkins all among its residents. The New Yorker may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. Im working on arcane things at the moment which I find hard to talk about. In fact he taught the same undergraduate classes for years and years, refusing to teach graduate students becausehe saidthey couldnt learn anything, were already set in their ways. We were all born in 1945, and despite a certain competitiveness at first, became good friends. DR: Did you like doing it? He taught some writing: one writing class, and one civilization and literature class. Peggy went to work at two jobs for ever; then there was a point where Johnny, the youngest, had to leave home, and she had a nervous breakdown, which was when I met her. Or both but instantly. During the winter of 197071, Notley and Berrigan lived on Long Island, where Notley wrote her first book, 165 Meeting House Lane (Twenty-Four Sonnets). I wonder about it later, but actually it always seems like it is justified: I think the people that I mentioned in Alma or The Dead Women deserve to be there, having their names engraved in that particular way. New York: Granary Books, 2006. xx. In fact, he had a whole career as a journalist, and knew how to research, to inform his opinions, and to look at events without a preexisting opinion: thus, I learned how to do that from him, though I find that few today are so intellectually honest. His poems have appeared (or are forthcoming) in ZYZZYVA, Poetry Northwest, and Sycamore Review. Poems and prose about conflict, armed conflict, and poetry's role in shaping perceptions and outcomes of war. I think all poets do that; its also something out of the tradition of folk music. Ted had left Sandy; I was living in sin with Ted, which Peggy didnt seem to mind at all, as she liked me a lot. A close relationship with the poet Anselm Hollo, who was teaching at the program at that time, led to Notley leaving Iowa City for Morocco in 1968. These places are continuously operating as presences in your poetry, particularly the Needles of your youth, in California, the Lower Manhattan in the heyday of New York School Poetry, and the Paris of today. 84AN: You dont have to breathe between them. I dont give a It seems nobody has any sense of tone of voice any more. Its filthy; I dont remember how I got that torn princess; but that bird was in a book; you see that phrase there marks what I was barred from: so the thing to see is that Im in jail and they wont let me into the Htel des Grands Hommes. Which is the Panthon. The sense of something escaping is well illustrated by your poem, Where Leftover Misery Goes, among others. 24DR: But she came already with a great talent, right, she started out extremely strong. The Circus (1971). Theres no garbage. In these poems, as in much of Notleys work, details from daily life enter in fragments that can be both entertaining and jarringly serious. In her essay The Poetics of Disobedience, Notley writes, I've been trying to train myself for thirty or forty years not to believe anything anyone tells me. In this apocalyptic, darkly funny, and, indeed, gutsy poem from Songs and Stories of the Ghouls (2011), Notley indicts logic itselfthe so-called common sense that reduces poetry to gender and experience to the known and erases whole cities in the whirlwind of war. River beneath appearances. Her Mysteries of Small Houses (1998) was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. They were the CDs that my son made and sent me; there are a lot of miss-hearings of Bob Dylan songs, as well as just a lot of folk songs that I already knew, in that work. In addition to poetry, Notley has written a book of criticism (Coming After, University of Michigan, 2005), a play ("Anne's White Glove"performed at the Eye & Ear Theater in 1985), a biography (Tell Me Again, Am Here, 1982), and she has edited three publications, Chicago, Scarlet, and Gare du Nord, the latter two co-edited with Douglas Oliver. All these disjunctions allow her work to be so radically personal; for example, this poem is at once a portrait of a mind in motion, a raw depiction of motherhood, a critique of patriarchal sexual politics, and a meditation on the sudden arrival of joy. Whether it's an object or a person, the over-accentuation of gender in relation to form allows for the. Get book recommendations, fiction, poetry, and dispatches from the world of literature in your in-box. My mother was always curious and interested. Also in my poem Disobedience (2001), I got the title in a dream about him. 117DR: Its a beautiful indictment of bureaucracies and their inhuman treatment. As she writes in the preface, one of the books few footholds, This poem goes pretty far, and terrifies me, but it should be read for pleasure., Although Personism tells us that simply acting like ourselves is enough to make poetry, its lesson is also surprisingly difficult to absorb. In this short poem from her 1980 book When I Was Alive, Notley describes a female god who creates, instead of light, lightbulbs & liquefaction, who teaches us affection for paintings and films and the limitations of words. In this Poem Talk podcast devoted to this poem, it is read as a sort of non-political political poem, bringing the personal into the public. I would write during that high, meanwhile I would listen to Bob Dylan tapes. Notleys work is famously heterogeneous, but its possible to see a gradual shift in her work, beginning in the mid-eighties, away from the New York Schools emphasis on ordinary detail and the surfaces of daily city life. The Man in the Long Black Coat, (1989) by Bob Dylan influenced the sound of the first two parts, which I wrote last. It emasculates her. It seemed that people like Joe Brainard were doing important, high-art collages and we could follow along without any pretention to be creating masterpieces. Notley edited seven of the issues with Berrigan taking over one while Notley was pregnant with their first son. The Indie rock group, (2005), collects a series of sensitive essays she wrote about her own poetry and that of others from her poetic. It was a collaboration of sorts, though I generally do not collaborate; I really hate it. In The Pines. There are different paces and reading styles possible; the performance can be different each time. This is "THE PROPHET BY ALICE NOTLEY" by John Galvin on Vimeo, the home for high quality videos and the people who love them. From this anarchic swirl, brilliant language emerges: Color sizzles my cells, a subversive moon appears, and a moment of playing the dulcimer / in a lemon grove startles. Thats why my poetry works so well. Indeed, you are often spoken about as an engaged poet, like your late husband, Doug Oliver. She was in my workshop. 37DR: Historically, painting is central to cultural New York and to New York poetry. Is that right? As is often written in her biographical notes, "she has never tried to be anything other than a poet," and with over forty books and chapbooks and several major awards, she is one of the most prolific and lauded American poets today. The editors discuss Amy Newman's "Howl," Alice Notley's "This Fire," and a series of limericks by Anthony Madrid. AN: Would you like to see the real collage? With Songs and Stories of the Ghouls (2011), Notley once again takes on the challenge of creating a feminist epic. 72As for my teaching at the Saint Marks poetry project, I gave assignments from week to week and I made the students bring in those rather than the poems they wrote on their own, to hold discussion without my having to criticize them too much. Produced by Curtis Fox. In Notleys hands, the free-roving speech of poets like OHara became a new way of exploring the permeability of identity on the page. This is perhaps one of Notleys ways of repurposing male influences: what for Apollinaire seemed like a bold transcription of modern life, evoking the frenetic motion of photography and film, is for Notley a figure of timelessness and stillness, a place where picture and pictogram cant be fully pulled apart. My favorite is how to cure an octopus: you go fishing, get an octopus, and you beat it against a rock. Though I didnt know I was being influenced by him again when I was doing. NOTLEY, Alice. I gave a talk on his poetry last month, in New York, which I wrote during the cold snap, when it was too cold to go out for three days. For example my poem In the Pines has been set to music by AroarA, who are two members of the Canadian, indie group, Broken Social Scene. She lives and works in Paris. Though I didnt know I was being influenced by him again when I was doing Alette. I could have a conversation about Royal Trux: a very chaotic indie group, sometimes awful, sometimes amazingly brilliant. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 1979, p. 911-1772. The Paris Review Interviews vol. hard and deeply about each part as I go along. New York: Scribner Poetry, 2001, p.120-124. AN: Well, you learn a lot from teaching, at the beginning. She distrusts change. Poetry itself can be thought of as that which comes from afar. In the case of John Ashbery, theres a poem called Syringa (1977) with an Orphean motif. 45DR: Its also what Andr Breton mentions, in his book, Nadja (1963): staying at the Htel des Grands Hommes with his surrealist friends, who wont get into the Panthon either. The same style extends to other poems from this time period, such as White Phosphorus. She was 88had just got back upand I was so inspired by how she got back up that I wrote that poem; I also wrote Blinding the White Horse in Front of Me (2016) basically in the same spurt of energy. In addition to collections of poetry, Notley has published the autobiography Tell Me Again (1982), the play Annes White Glove (1985), and a book of essays on poets and poetry, Coming After (2005). [1] She received a Bachelor of Arts from Barnard College in spring 1967 and left New York City that fall for the fiction program at the Iowa Writers' Workshop. About two-thirds of the way through the book theres a dream that has to do with a poet that has written a poem called disobedience: the poet was Kenneth in the dream, but, such is dream logic, it was really me. In the serious, reflective poem, Your Dailiness (1971), you mention finally understanding Willem de Koonings painting. from the Iowa Writers' Workshop at the University of Iowa in 1969. Education: Barnard College, New York, B.A. By Alice Notley. Alice Notley on her life with Ted Berrigan. One year at a big Thanksgiving dinner, I sat next to the poet Michel Deguy; many of his friends in Paris were met for instance when playing tennis. The first time I went there I was completely humiliated by the people working there. I had just been in the States. Alice Notley is an extraordinary reader of her own work, which, in the last year, she has read in the U.S.A. (Providence, R.I., and Brooklyn, N.Y.), in the U.K. (Birmingham), and in France (The Pompidou Center, Paris). In this interview, she mentions other New York Poets (John Ashbery, James Schuyler, Frank OHara, Kenneth Koch, Ron Padgett, Eileen Myles, Anne Waldman, Joe Brainard, Allan Ginsberg, and Bernadette Mayer). OHaras insouciance has made his work popularan antidote to the high seriousness that poetry sometimes invokes to prove its worth. Born: Bisbee, Arizona, 8 November 1945. [4] Notley's second book, Phoebe Light, was published in 1973 by Bill Berkson's Bolinas-based press Big Sky.[5]. I think all poets do that; its also something out of the tradition of folk music. ; but that bird was in a book; you see that phrase there marks what I was barred from: so the thing to see is that Im in jail and they wont let me into the Htel des Grands Hommes. Which is the Panthon. Which is something that John Ashbery would probably have agreed with, in a way. Syringa. Houseboat Days. She is the author of more than thirty-five books of poetry, includingMysteries of Small Houses(Penguin, 1998, winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Prize and a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize);Disobedience(Penguin, 2001, winner of the Griffin Prize); andGrave of Light: New and Selected Poems 1970-2005, which received the Lenore Marshall Poetry Prize. Doug [Oliver] had died, and it was 2001. I would give a task often based on traditional forms, or I would get an idea for a subject; and sometimes I used Kenneths books, because he was writing all those books then about teaching in nursing homes and to groups of small children. Photograph by Nigel Beale / The Biblio File. The first workshop that I taught was a crucial one for that generation actually. NOTLEY, Alice. Notley has stayed very involved in the preservation of both Berrigan and Oliver's works, having edited and written introductions for a number of their books and she continues to be a prolific and powerful force in contemporary poetry, winning the Leonore Marshall Poetry Prize in 2007 and the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize in 2015. First, the way the fan that tapers at the top disorients the view, because the fan is supposed to open up, not reduce. But every time he quoted somebody he misquoted him or her without even knowing it, so he always made the texture his own. AN: Peggy was great and, yes, Irish. Wholeness is not the same as unity. The word, the line, and also the stanza. Considered by many to be among the most outstanding of living American poets, Alice Notley has amassed a body of work that includes intimate lyrics, experimental diaries, traditional genres, the postmodern series, the newly invented epic, political observation and invective, and the poem as novel. AN: Well, I broke it. 11It was a collaboration of sorts, though I generally do not collaborate; I really hate it. West Branch, Iowa: Toothpaste Press, 1981. Notley was born in Arizona and grew up in Needles, California. Ive noticed it with my granddaughters. She has long written in narrative and epic and genre-bending modes to discover new ways to explore the nature of the self and the social and cultural importance of disobedience. With long and limber lines, a clear narrative, and recognizable characters, this sad and sweet poem about Gracie Allen and George Burns demonstrates Notleys wide range. Or, as Notley puts it, the trick is to Try to get new language // closer to that of thought. NOTLEY, Alice. is to take away from her the founding of a city, and transform her into this love suicide, and to rob her of her power. There was a black woman at a desk when I went in who said, What are you doing here? I just sat down and replied, Im a widow; Ive got two children; I know its been a year and a half since my husband died; Im trying to stay at home as much as I can and I have a part-time job (I was working for Allen Ginsberg at the time). This guy is doing vinyl records of poets and hes done a series including one of me and one of Eileen [Myles]. When I was becoming a poet, folk music was popular; Bob Dylan was getting started; and he was that kind of magpie. Theyre beautiful. Alice Notley, Live in Seattle, Portland, WA: Fonograf Editions (Octopus Books), 2019. For death? Alice Notley continues to live in Paris and makes frequent trips to the U.S. to give readings and lectures. 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